Thanks for the pointer; I’m downloading it to take a look at as well.

CentOS also has a server CD, which I’ve used. Would make a good reference point.

Sure, but we still want what we provide to cover as much of the use cases as we can. Both to help cut down on the pain for users as well as the pain for us from the inevitable incorrectly created spins

You missed the obvious — that I can just use the new tools to spin my own 5+ CD set.

Make your own Fedora 7 step-by-step guide. This is important to help ensure that people understand and can make their own custom spins.

I feel moderately strongly, that such a process should provided an evolving
web interface by which detailed package selections can be made for iso creation and kickstart creation. Something much more interaction rich and detailed than the streamlined group/package selection paradigm that the installer interface uses.

-jef

Maybe I’m just a cheapskate, but I don’t have a DVD writer. Maybe other people are in the same situation. Being able to burn a set of CDs is a nice thing.

Actually.. i just had a lovely conversation with a researcher who works with
several international partners concerning the superDARN radar network.
They have this exact issue concerning how to manage the collection of data from around the world. They have to standardize on cdroms via snail mail, even though its gigs and gigs of radar data, because dvds or anything more advanced is not available affordably in most places.

Its very much something to think about.

-jef

Cheapskate

I think that to some extent, it comes down to which matters more — having CD isos or trying to have the Fedora 7 Everything edition. Especially given that we want to make the latter rely on the first DVD. If the Fedora 7 DVD is also a set of (optimistically) 5 CDs, then just the interface around handling that gets a lot trickier.

The problem is that I can’t see a real clear winner… hence why we’re going for some feedback so that we can hopefully make the right decisions.

A gui on a server for you or me? Sure, pretty much overkill.

A gui on a server for someone who speaks (only) Chinese, Japanese, Hindi, Persian, Thai, … well, now we have a much more compelling question. The console _doesn’t_ display those languages. Native language support is incredibly important to have.

Also, while having a GUI isn’t necessary for experienced Linux/Unix people, if we want to continue to grow our userbase, then we have to provide a way for them to more easily get started using Fedora. Making it easy to install without one is good, but you definitely don’t want to leave those people out in the cold. Because otherwise, you’ve self-selected your userbase and not really left a way for it to grow.

It currently doesn’t and the plan is that you basically just have to download what you’re wanting to have on the media.

This is one of our goals. It requires writing some code that doesn’t exist and a little bit of finger crossing, but it should be doable.

My hunch based on previous times of looking at this is that huge amounts of space end up being used for fonts and dictionaries for various languages. But that’s an area that’s hugely important to support IMHO, just because it’s so necessary to be useful for some parts of the world.

I think this is the right choice for fedora: provide a mean to build your own install media.
_BUT_ *please* do it in a way that does not require to download all packages just to pick the interesting ones!

any chance that Fedora 7 DVD is the first disk of Fedora 7 Everything?

A gui for a server? No!

Take a look at what Ubuntu do. They fit a server install on a CD, with language support too.

This is a pitch for providing CD ISOs for the “Fedora 7 DVD” option.

Maybe I’m just a cheapskate, but I don’t have a DVD writer. Maybe other people are in the same situation. Being able to burn a set of CDs is a nice thing.

Perhaps there is a way to just cut the DVD along random chunk lines, versus trying to make a sane CD set. That is, ignore the usual work of dividing packages into groups by CD to get the most common packages closest to the first CD.

I know I can do all this with a rescue CD and a DVD ISO mounted over HTTP, but there are enough times where it is just plain nice to do it all via CD.

(Yes, you can delete the anon post I mistakenly just made. Guess it’s login expire day…)